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431: Tammy Cho on Healing, Leadership, and Self-Love

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What if your face could reveal your deepest emotional blocks? What if your burnout, self-doubt, or imposter syndrome were not flaws—but signals calling you back to your truest self?

In a recent episode of On the Brink with Andi Simon, I sat down with the remarkable Tammy Cho, a self-love and energy leadership coach based in British Columbia. Tammy is not just a coach—she’s a healer, a mentor, and a guide who helps leaders and entrepreneurs reconnect with their authentic selves. Using a unique combination of face and body analysis, psychosomatic therapy, human design, and NLP, Tammy helps people understand the deeper emotional and spiritual patterns shaping their lives.

From Burnout to Breakthrough

Tammy’s journey began as a nurse and patient care leader in one of Canada’s largest hospitals. She spent 20 years in healthcare before burning out so severely that she landed in the ER—chest pains, numbness, and a terrifying sense of disconnect.

But the real wake-up call came later. After the birth of her daughter, Tammy realized she couldn’t feel joy. Watching her baby hit a dangling toy for the first time left her numb. It took a visiting nurse to point out what Tammy couldn’t see: she wasn’t bonding with her child. This emotional void forced her to confront a lifelong pattern of emotional abandonment—beginning with being left by her mother at just 20 days old.

This became the catalyst for deep personal transformation. Tammy dove into therapy, personal development, NLP, and energy healing. Despite financial success, she still felt unfulfilled. It wasn’t until she discovered psychosomatic therapy—a powerful approach that integrates body, mind, heart, and soul—that true healing began.

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What Your Face Reveals

Tammy now uses face analysis to help others see themselves in new ways—literally. Our faces, she says, are maps of our emotional history. In her own before-and-after photos, Tammy’s transformation is visible: softer features gave way to sharper clarity, eyes once guarded now shine with openness, and her face shape changed as she stepped into a more empowered, aligned self.

Each side of the face tells a story. The left side, representing our private inner world, can show where we hide or feel unworthy. The right side, our public self, reflects how we present to the world. When these two sides are dramatically different, it often indicates unresolved trauma or disconnect between who we are and who we allow ourselves to be.

Healing Through Wholeness

Tammy’s process is not about fixing what’s broken—it’s about reclaiming the parts we’ve left behind. By combining body awareness with emotional leadership, she helps clients shift from burnout to balance, from imposter syndrome to authentic confidence. Her clients often arrive after trying everything—strategy, mindset coaching, personal development—only to realize something deeper is missing. Tammy helps them find it.

“People come to me when they feel something’s off,” she says. “They’ve done the work, but still feel unfulfilled. Often, it’s their soul calling them home.”

Leading With Essence

Tammy believes the future of leadership lies in energy and essence—not just strategy or productivity. By learning to embody who we truly are, we begin to lead from within. And as we do, success becomes sustainable, meaningful, and joyful.

Her invitation is simple but powerful: look in the mirror—not to fix your appearance, but to truly see yourself. What do you notice? What are you avoiding? Where have you disconnected?

Her gift to listeners: a free five-part video series that helps you begin your own face analysis and connect with your self-leadership potential. (Available via pathtotheheart.com.)

Final Thoughts

Tammy Cho is redefining leadership as something deeply human. As the world speeds up and AI reshapes our future, she reminds us that the most important transformation is internal. We must come home to ourselves—not just to thrive, but to truly live.

I invite you to listen to our full conversation—available on YouTube and all podcast platforms—and explore the powerful possibilities Tammy opens up for all of us.

And remember, take your observations, turn them into innovations, and you too will be amazing as you soar.

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425: Embracing Whole-Body Transformation with Barbara Holifield

421: Grow Your Emotional Intelligence? Meet Dr. Robin Hills

419: Jennifer Leslie: Transform your Business with Self Awareness

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Andi Simon 00:00:02  Welcome to On the Brink with Andi Simon. It’s our turn for us to really help you see, feel, and think in new ways, because my job is to help you get off the brink. You know, each time I do one of these podcasts and we’ve done 430 of them, I remember that you may not have watched all 3,430 of them, but this one has to help you do something you may not be ready to do before. And so it’s important that I bring new people who are going to provide you with new ideas, new ways to see yourself, new methods for beginning to do self-awareness or re-energize. And so today I have Tammy Cho here from British Columbia, and so we’re doing this on a bicoastal basis, so it’s going to be a lot of fun. And I want to thank Tammy for being here with us.  And now I’m going to give you her bio and tell you why it’s important you listen. And then I’m going to let her tell you about her journey and what she brings to you to help you. And these are the words I like to use, see, feel, and think in new ways. You’re going to become a little bit of an anthropologist today, and that will be a lot of fun. So, Tammy Cho is a former patient care leader, turned international bestselling author. Her book is called Business on Purpose, and it’s part of a book of women who have written about being in business on purpose. She is a self-love and energy leadership mentor, specializing in face and body analysis, human design, and NLP. And she’s going to tell you about all of these. She helps impact driven entrepreneurs and leaders overcome imposter syndrome. You know, I had to give a talk on imposter syndrome to women not all that long ago, and I realized that I’ve been an imposter my entire life, and I never knew it, and I never thought of myself that way. But it is an interesting, oh, I’ll call it epiphany, to realize that you’ve always gone into things without really knowing everything that had to be done. It was okay. You were confident and confidence didn’t matter. But it’s fun to begin to think about things through a fresh perspective. She helps them fall in love with their authentic selves so they can break through plateaus to scale, lead, and thrive for the next level of purpose, purpose driven impact. Now she uses human design, NLP, and her client’s unique face and body blueprint as a personalized roadmap. She uncovers the emotional blocks, silently draining their energy and confidence. She empowers them to embody their authentic leadership and creates success that feels as good as it looks. She’s been featured on Positive Impact TV, Brain Z Magazine, and major platforms like Fox, CBS, NBC, and AP News. And she’s a host of another podcast called Authentic Theaters Rising. It’s really a pleasure to have you here, Tammy. Thank you so much for coming all the way from British Columbia. Think about how small the world is. Tell the listeners or the viewers about who you are, what your journey has been like, and how we got to the point where you are doing the kind of work you are to help people change. And it’s really marvelous. So please, who’s Tammy? What’ve you been all about?

Tammy Cho 00:03:06  Well, thanks for having me, Andrea, here. I love to dive into my story. I always wonder where I should start. I think one important thing to say is that I worked as a nurse for 20 years, and I worked at the bedside leading one of the biggest hospitals here in BC. During that process, I burned out and I essentially went to work one day, Andrea and I had chest pain, and it was raiding up my jaw and down my arm, and I couldn’t breathe. I was really scared. And I got wheeled off to emergency in front of everyone at work. Um, and that was a big part of me doing what I’m doing today.  I think leading up to that burnout, Andrea, I knew I wasn’t doing well.  I was losing my ability to focus and concentrate on all these things. I even got a doctor’s note at that time to take time off work, but I intellectually knew what to do, but I couldn’t get myself to emotionally let go. A lot of the audience could relate in the sense that often we know what we need to do, but we’re not necessarily letting ourselves do it. So there’s that disconnect within us. And so that was what I was going through. And, you know, the burnout really slowed me down, Andrea, but it really wasn’t until I had my first baby, and she was lying there in one of those baby Einstein masks, and she was hitting one of those dangling toys for the very first time intentionally, I saw it and I looked at it, but I didn’t feel any joy or happiness.  I said, as a matter of fact, kids do that, right? And if it wasn’t for this nurse that was sitting next to me on my living room couch that pointed out that you’re not relating to your child like other moms are. Like, I wouldn’t have known how numbed out and disconnected I was to my own child. When I speak back about it, it just blows my mind now.  I think there’s a lot of people right now that are walking around, living someone else’s life out of what we’re actually maybe meant to do, called to do what actually matters to us because we’re not feeling the range of our emotional abundance, so to speak. And so that was what I was going through. And it obviously put a fire under my butt to start on my journey. And obviously I did the therapy and counseling thing. But I also started diving into a lot of personal development work, trying to better myself. My mom had left me when I was 20 days old and so in that moment, I realized I wasn’t like physically abandoning my door, but I was emotionally abandoning her. And so this was like a big realization that really put that fire under my bum. And I tried to master the mind. I did, NLPI ran masterminds, and I became a millionaire through real estate with my husband.  And I still wasn’t happy. I still didn’t feel any more confident or fulfilled within my life so to speak. And I kept on going and I did energy healing in various modalities from reiki to bowel energy to shamanism. And, honestly, Andrea, when I stopped exchanging healings with other practitioners I was learning from and things like that, everything was still there. I still felt I was still chronically burning out. I was still experiencing depression. And I had 24-7 generalized anxiety with panic attacks. All of that was still underneath.  I’m a truth seeker. I don’t know about you, but I keep on looking for more. I pulled into my life four years of spiritual and emotional healing. And I came across something called psychosomatic therapy. So to just let the audience know, and yourself, is to keep things simple, it’s a study of the body, mind, heart, soul together as is expressed through our physical features on our face. And what I saw there was that my body was showing me how yearning for this love and connection, but another part of my body was actually pushing it away. It really brought me face to face with myself to really see what was actually happening, how it was affecting literally my body. I was trying to address the mind and, you know, address the body. I was trying to do things all separated. And until I brought it all together,  it was like I was operating out of separation versus wholeness, essentially. And so this is the place where I eventually moved forward  with my healing and using the face as a way to awaken people I work with now. I bring the human design, psychosomatic therapy, NOP, all these things together to serve someone in this way, to really open up, fall in love with themselves and to really experience more authentic confidence, fulfillment, sustainable success without feeling like you have to do more all the time. I’ve been talking for a long time. Please, please go ahead, Andrea.

Andi Simon 00:08:20  Your journey has been from the very beginning an opportunity or a challenge for you to begin to find who Tammy is and how do I find happiness and love in me. You’re an individual who is really on a journey. I also know from the neurosciences and the cognitive sciences and anthropology that the mind does exactly what it thinks you want it to do. And Marissa Pierce has a wonderful book out called Change Your Story, Change Your Life. She’s got marvelous videos on how the mind is so fascinating because it creates a false reality. There’s no reality. It creates one that you live in but aren’t quite sure why, because it’s not the one you want. And you know that you said it so well, that’s not what I want, but I don’t know how to change what I am doing to be what I want it to be doing. So please finish because this has taken you to the next stage in your own transformation. You discovered something that you found in your face and your feelings that you can now share with others, please continue.

Tammy Cho 00:09:40  When we talk about as a face and body analysis expert, people are like, what’s that? I just to keep things simple, like essentially, you’re a physical face and body is a direct representation of your thoughts and emotional history. And so very much, um, Andrea, like you just spoke about, change your thoughts, change your life. And what I am aware of is that we could change our thoughts, and obviously that’s a really good thing and change our life. And there’s a place here that through our own body that it brings us a little deeper because what controls our thoughts and what we believe we deserve, and all these things comes to a, a part of ourselves, or in the realm of the emotions. And so this is why the face analysis becomes a bit more pronounced. And maybe this is where I share my screen here, if you’re okay with that, Andrea,

Andi Simon 00:10:35  I think that would be wonderful.

Tammy Cho 00:10:37  Yeah, thank you. I’ll share this and I’ll, and for the listeners, I’ll make sure that I speak clearly. And so I have essentially a picture, there’s six pictures, and there’s the two in the middle that are the original pictures. The ones on the left side are my two left sides of my face mirrored together. And the pictures on the far right are to my two right sides on my face mirrored together. They’re split up in a way where it’s essentially before when I was going through my burnout and what my actual face looked like, and then after the burnout when I stepped into all the pieces, I’m talking about working on the deeper traumas, working on falling in love with myself and stepping to my own self leadership.  And so, obviously if you’re listening to the audio and you can’t see this, I invite you to go to Andrea’s visual podcast to get a snippet of what this is because there’s two completely different people here. The top picture, you can see that my face was rounded, and it really spoke to a personality where I just kind of went with the flow of things. My top lip is much thinner than my bottom lip. And this was a place where I didn’t know how to speak up for myself. The more sensitive parts of myself, my eyes were more squinty. It was showing, speaking to my sensitivity and how I didn’t want to really express things at the heart emotional level. The heart is essentially our heart chakra, our heart system, so to speak. These are pieces you could see that once through the transformation, you could see that my eyes got a lot bigger. The shape of my face was more elongated. I began to use my gifts. And so I stood into more of a  humanitarian tendency to use my gifts for more than just myself or the people around me. Like I wanted to create a deeper impact. Now, bless you,  I didn’t speak about this but the left side of her face, if you put your hand on the left side of your face, this is essentially your private world. It’s your inner world that we want to keep private to ourselves sometimes and then the two right sides of her face.  So if you put your hand on the right side, this is the public face and what we show to the world. And oftentimes what I see again and again, and you can see it in the pictures in front of you if you’re seeing this, is that you see my left side of the face, and the top left picture is much more darkened. The way I wore my hair. I was literally covering up my mental zone. You could see that on the outside, my hair was off my face, and I was showing more to other people, but I was hiding from myself. You could see on the right side, my forehead was actually narrowing up. It’s kind of like a shape where it’s getting thinner at the top of my head. So it spoke to a place where I was kind of like limiting my point of view. I was very narrow minded; my thoughts were probably running the show more than I’m running my thoughts. If that makes sense. And, you know, often when I see picture splits of my clients with the left and the right side of the face, this is where we’re not necessarily being who we are. So when I see a big difference between the left side of someone’s face and the right side of someone’s face, it often speaks to places where we feel like a part of ourselves is not enough, that we can’t show this part of ourselves. It’s a place where we often feel it’s from a place of trauma. And until we can see ourselves at a deeper level and witness this is how I’m actually treating myself, then we think everything is going right. We may feel like an imposter. There’s places in our life that are working, and then there’s, we’re hitting a plateau in other places of our life. We’re doing our best and we’re stuck at a certain level of income. Whatever it is often pertains to this piece where we’re not letting yourself fully express ourselves. There’s a disconnect, if you will, right? With the inner world and outer world, and how much you feel is worthy to be expressed.

Andi Simon 00:15:14  This is very deep, my goodness. For the sake of our listeners who cannot see the picture I’ll put up on our blog so you can see the picture in the context of this as well. You can watch it on YouTube, but the difference is quite dramatic. And it’s not subtle. It’s really very dramatic. And how did your face change like that?

Tammy Cho 00:15:41  So a big part of face analysis is first of all, seeing and witnessing ourselves in this way. I like to in my sessions to really support someone to drop from their mind into the heart. Because oftentimes, we feel safer protecting ourselves in our minds.  I’m helping someone to really feel and come back to themselves and realizing, wow, these are the pieces that I’ve been neglecting and stepping over, pushing through in my day maybe causing some burnout or exhaustion. It’s like that self-recognition piece is really healing and important. And I’ve had people just have the face analysis session and their lip color changes. It’s quite dramatic just in itself. And everyone’s different depending on where they are in their journey. But the next piece is really like tapping into the body to go deeper into the emotions. And that’s my skill set, being able to pinpoint where to go, trust my intuition, allow their body to guide me because if it’s showing up on your face, it’s also showing up on your body. And so we journey through these pieces. Obviously, I bring in some of the NLP, my human design gift is definitely to drop someone deeper into their emotionality. I see this again and again in my clients. And then learning how to build emotional resilience and learn emotional leadership because we touched upon this earlier in  the show with Andrea here about changing our thoughts, but it’s our emotions that are also all often creating the thoughts we choose.  And this is the missing piece that we create the life based on what we feel we could deserve.  At many levels, it’s unconscious. Oftentimes my role is to awaken someone to that difference so that’s why I call myself a self-love and energy leadership coach because it really is about learning to fall in love with who we are, and the challenge is that a lot of people don’t know who they are. Like we, we feel like our identity of what we do, and a mother and father and sister or brother or other roles in our life. But when we take away all that, who are we? And so that’s an important piece to reconnect with and to then fall in love with this piece. Because if you don’t fall in love with who you are, you don’t know who you are you can’t fall in love with who you are and your living life sort of filtered with a veil of protection on the right side of her face. So, Andrea, please go ahead.

Andi Simon 00:18:28  Yes, Tammy? Yeah. I think you can stop the sharing unless you have more points.

Tammy Cho 00:18:32  Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andi Simon 00:18:34  There we go. Thank you. You said something that was very important, that it isn’t the jobs we have, whether it’s that of a mother or a wife, or an anthropologist, or a business owner, or an entrepreneur. Those are all external definitions. You’re looking for the true you and  I think would help our listeners or our viewers to begin to understand what do you mean by that? Uh, because they’ll often define themselves in terms of what they’ve done or what they’ve achieved and not realizing that they’re allowing the outside to define the inside, I think is what I’m hearing. Am I correct or sort of, correct?

Tammy Cho 00:19:14   I mean, there’s nothing wrong with achieving things outside of ourselves, but what goes awry when we place those external pieces as our self-worth. And so, coming back to what you’re saying about who we are,  I often walk people through exercise where we just let go of everything. As a meditation that we walk and let go of all these roles we play. And often what comes up is the essence, it’s very intangible. That’s why probably a lot of people are not connecting to it. But often there’s these places of what unravels when we remove the emotional upsets or triggers or trauma, there’s usually unraveling of essence of what this younger part of us, which is the closest to the innocence of who we are will really be connected to the essence of perhaps love or gratitude or innocence or playfulness or like really connected to truth. Like everyone is a little bit different. And when we start to, this is probably one of the deepest essences of our values. So when we connect to these pieces and start to lead our life and to really express ourselves, it starts to filter and change our entire life. Like, I’ve seen this again and again, where it’s like learning how to receive ourselves. It’s a skill to learn how to receive these parts that feel so intangible that it’s easy to just brush away. But when I’m able to ground someone into this and to see how we could bring in more of these pieces, to bring in the energy essence. And this is where the energy leadership comes in, is to be able to actually express this part of you, into filter through the energy of the words. Essentially,  we look at our thought forms, our electrical impulses essentially are energy. Our emotions, our energy in or out of motion. Essentially, our body under our microscope is vibrating balls of energy. And our soul is essentially energy. It’s intangible. And so it essentially, it’s a way to lead ourselves and our truest authentic essence where we could eventually, I believe the next evolution of leadership is that I could bring my essence into a podcast and bring into a client, session or into a room where I was speaking. And you can really command attention through your essence and to touch people’s hearts in this way where you are fully expressing your  natural, authentic energy essence.  I always said a lot there, so let me know if I am, you know, landing this for you, uh, Andrea.

Andi Simon 00:22:23  Well, it’s is a bit complicated on the one hand, but if I hear you correctly, I’m trying to interpret what you’re saying, is that once you let go of these other roles or other definers and you find the key essence of who you are, freedom emerges and the energy gets turned into, I won’t say, I’ll say self-love, but also a sense that you are okay, you’re a good person. You have great value. And it’s not by the things you do, but perhaps simply who you are. Is that what I hear you saying?

Tammy Cho 00:22:59  Yes. Essentially, it’s like worthiness that you have this authentic confidence, but you’re not trying to be someone you’re not. You’re actually being a deeper essence of who you are. You’re being yourself. Imposter syndrome comes up when we feel like we can’t, you know, be ourselves in some shape or form, which is actually directly connected to our level of worthiness. Because it’s like if I stood here and told you, you can’t be yourself. You know whether you take that like right now in this instant, or you heard it before and it’s playing in the back of your mind, you’re not going to feel it’s going to restrict what you are letting yourself like, have and achieve and the level of happiness and fulfillment in your life. And so, yeah. So go ahead. You were going to say something.

Andi Simon 00:23:50  Well,  I’m hearing you. So now, how do you actually find your clients to do this? It’s not exactly commonly understood.  I am curious about your business. It is new and you’ve been growing it. I don’t think your book is directly connected to it, but there’s something going on here that’s really quite transformational. Am I correct? You’re really building something quite different.

Tammy Cho 00:24:23  Yeah. I’ve been doing this for about five to six years now. And so I’ve had a lot of repeat clients and referrals, and now I’m kind of wanting to expand and the impact a little bit more with developing my own program, that kind of thing. That’s the space I’m in right now. And it is like, often people come to me where they’ve done all the mindset, they’ve done all the strategy, and something feels like it’s still missing. They can’t really put a finger on it. It feels like something feels off, like, I don’t know. And often it’s pieces of their soul. Like, they’ve done everything they can and there’s a piece within them that doesn’t feel happy. It feels kind of empty. They realize that they’re afraid to slow down because when they slow down, some people will slow down and do selfcare. Some people will slow down and feel very uncomfortable within themselves to actually stay and not do anything because it’s like their worth is so tied to what they do. And so these are the pieces that it’s actually calling us deeper into ourselves. And if we’ve been on the journey in business or in personal development as well, is that what we’re able to create on the outside is a direct reflection of what we’re able to create on the inside.

Andi Simon 00:25:45  Yes.

Tammy Cho 00:25:46  You know? And so these are the pieces I’m guiding people to. And people come to me often when they feel like there’s an invisible block. They feel like I can’t seem to struggle to create myself and need more space for myself.  I’m just not motivated. I’m doing everything right, but I feel like there’s more for me. So it’s like a calling for more from their soul that they can’t,  it’s a new language. The language of the soul is new, but I’m aware that this is my purpose, and my job is to get this out there even though it is new, and it won’t land for everyone. And that’s okay. And at the end of the day, the face analysis is the very first step. And so it really opens up to where people are willing or are not, maybe ready and it’s not their jam, and that’s okay but, it does open up a lot  in a very convoluted way. And I think, Andrea, you’ve explained it and I think you are getting it. I appreciate you solidifying this in a way that maybe I’m not speaking about its in a solid enough way.

Andi Simon 00:26:58 You’re doing a very good job about something that is new and a bit complicated or complex. But it also doesn’t sound like the process you are working with is that complex. It is. You need somebody to come with an openness. Often, I specialize in helping organizations or people change. And I often say, if you want to change, have a crisis or create one, I mean it. The folks coming to you have reached not quite a crisis point, but a point at which the things they’re doing aren’t getting them to where they’d like to go. But they are quite sure I’m guessing where that is, how it feels and how to get there. And so that magic is missing in terms of, I’m doing a lot of stuff, but it still doesn’t feel much better. Like, you were doing a lot of stuff, and you weren’t getting unburned out. Am I right?

Tammy Cho 00:27:54  Yeah. I mean, back then when I was going through my burnout, I was seeing a naturopath. I was seeing like a chiropractor. I was going to yoga class. I was going to naturopathic and taking supplements. I was doing a lot of selfcare. But what I could tell you, Andrea, whatever we’re doing, it’s not about the doing. It’s actually in the being, you know. So this is the piece, it’s the being piece, once again, very intangible, but it’s the beingness. I see this again and again in my clients that when we shift our beingness, our whole life changes. It’s quite amazing. I’ve seen it for myself. Once I guide my clients through it, it’s like, they’re like, wow, everything’s flowing. Because innately we flow.

Andi Simon 00:28:40  You’re onto something extremely important. You said, where’s the spiritual self? Where’s the energy that’s there? And we’re in a very secular, often not spiritual world that we’re operating in, and we’re moving fast. And the kind of people who live to old ages live in blue zones where community is essential. We don’t live in those communities where our beings are not necessarily easily known and understood. And so there’s some things that are missing from our society today that are very human needed.  I need to have trust, and I need to have the kinds of common friends where we can just hang out and sit and talk with a sense of it’s okay to be me. And, and the echo coming back is, I’m so glad you are you. And so in some ways, you become their best friend.

Tammy Cho 00:29:36  It’s  true. There’s so many changes in the world, and with AI just being everywhere now, it’s really important not to lose our humanists.  I do pull in people that really care about their purpose and their impact. Some corporate leaders, ex corporate leaders turn entrepreneurs, some professionals as well, that they know that they’re here for more somehow. And, and this is the piece of really diving deeper into us. Sometimes it’s another goal that they want, sometimes it’s more money they want to feel more empowered in their leadership roles. It’s like their essence, their presence as leadership leaders and things like this, and these are the pieces that unravel all of it. It’s actually instead of addressing things at a more surface level, not to say there’s no strategy is important too. I would say it’s 80% the deeper stuff and 20% the strategy.

Andi Simon 00:30:36  Here you’re onto something important where you’re going to be doing a wonderful two-day retreat for women entrepreneurs with companies of purpose. And I need to run one of the panels there, and I’m thinking about what you’re saying because these women are successful, but they’re also looking for significance. While they’ve grown large companies, they’re giving back with philanthropy to all kinds of places. In some ways their deeper meaning is coming through in their behaviors and whether they are getting to the essence of who they are or not, I don’t know. But I do know that what you’re saying is a manifestation of the kind of things that many women are doing in business where it’s good enough to be profitable, but not good enough to be human and they need to be more humane and more human, because I’m a very successful woman who can share my, my being with others. Does this make sense? Have I captured some of the thoughts that you’re sharing? I don’t want to misinterpret what you’re saying.

Tammy Cho 00:31:45  Yeah, no, it’s true. It’s like having a certain amount of success, but there is a deeper meaning there. And that’s that fulfillment piece, right? That authentic confidence, if you will., I’ve done all these things. Obviously, part of fulfillment is wanting to create a deeper impact in the world. But there’s, the piece it stems from is our internal growth. And when we haven’t necessarily, where we don’t have this regular connection with our soul, which is often covered up under emotions, if we often don’t spend time being with our emotions and how to lead our emotions is really important. Not letting the emotions run the show. So it’s a very important balance there, especially as a leader who’s wanting to make a difference. And so this is the piece, the growth piece, meaning and also the impact and the contribution piece.  And so I think these are the type of people that are not just about profit for them. They want meaning, they want purpose. They know they’re here for more. They want to be their best self. And I think there’s pieces where people are looking for that in the external world. And there’s nothing wrong per se with that. However, when there are parts of us neglected, it does show up on the face. Like when we’re not on purpose, it shows up in the way someone walks. And I can see if someone’s on purpose or staying on direction with their purpose by the way they walk and the very things that affect our walking on a physical level, right also affect how we express our soul’s mission. So it’s actually all intertwined. And so, maybe this is the next version. I used to be a nurse, and this is like nursing 2.0. Often, we look at the physical body, we keep it separate from our minor emotions, but the soul is like, somewhere it fits, somewhere in between here. But it’s actually all in the same, it’s the same thing. It’s actually all one

Andi Simon 00:33:36  This is wonderful, but  I think it’s time we wrap up. As much as I’m enjoying myself, one or two things you’d like the listener or the viewer to remember about our conversation today.

Tammy Cho 00:33:50  Yeah, for sure. Um, I, I’d love to invite everyone to just really allow yourself to look in the mirror. Not in a way to get ready for the day and to look good for your meetings and things like this, but to really see and look at yourself in the mirror in the eye. And just notice what’s the first thing that comes up. Is it words of criticism? You know, are you hearing something that perhaps you’ve been avoiding to acknowledge, or perhaps you’re feeling disconnected wherever you are. We can transform and change if we’re not real and authentic with ourselves to slow down to see where we’re actually at. And very much, you know, Andrea, your podcast is really seeing things differently. See yourself differently. This is my invitation to leave your audience with a gift as well, what does your face say about yourself leadership, where you actually could see your own inner and outer world, where your places of strengths for your leadership are. I’ll leave this with Andrea. Just click on the link and  it’s a five-part video series, and it allows you to walk you through the journey of your own phase to have that initial piece of connecting with yourself in this way.

Andi Simon 00:35:14  I promise I’ll put it on the back page of the video, and I’ll put it on the blog for the audio and we’ll celebrate what you’re trying to do to help people really see, feel, and think in new ways. And it is all about this combination of a whole body that isn’t just what I do, but how I am and who I am. And it’s a deeper and important one. I have a hunch that you’ve learned to love your children.

Tammy Cho 00:35:41  Yes. Those are the fulfillment pieces. Like not to come home and being too exhausted for the kids, or you can’t really feel and be there for your kids and husband. That’s a big part of fulfillment to you. And so I’m so glad that that’s opened up for me.

Andi Simon 00:35:57  I’m so glad as well. So for my listeners,  Tammy, how can they reach you if they’d like to know more about what you’re doing? Is there a website that they can go to or LinkedIn?

Tammy Cho 00:36:07  My website is  pathtotheheart.com, exactly how it sounds. You could contact me through there as well. I could give you Andrea, my social media link. So that’s easy enough for people to access and I also have my own podcast, as Andrea alluded to, Authentic Leaders Rising. And so if you listen to podcasts, essentially, you just search that up and you’ll find it good.

Andi Simon 00:36:31  I’m so delighted. Well, for all of my listeners and my viewers, thank you for joining us. We truly enjoy sharing great people with you. And I don’t know whether this is our 430th pretty close or 431st podcast, but I keep doing them because there’s something absolutely joyful about sharing. I have a hunch; Tammy likes to do that as well with hers. And it isn’t about me or the guest, it’s about us. And as we’re doing it, we’re thinking about the audience out there because together we can really do better than any one of us by ourselves. So now our books are all on Amazon and Barnes and Noble, and they love for you to see them and buy them and read them and share them and review them. On The Brink is about how little anthropology can help your business grow. Women Mean Business, my most recent book is about women who mean business and Rethink: Smashing the Myths of Women in Business is just a wonderful longer version of women who have said, of course I can. There’s nobody in there who said, I can’t. They all said, I want to. I’m going to. And here I come, watch out, folks. I’m on my way. It’s been fun. You want a little anthropology to help your business grow, don’t be bashful info@Simonassociates.net gets right to us, or there’s always LinkedIn for Andrea or Andi Simon. We love our clients. Some of them have been with us for six or seven years, and they still hang around helping me help them because it is a joint effort to get better together. And I think that’s what’s so much fun. Goodbye everybody. Have a great day. Remember, take your observations, turn them into innovations, and you too will be amazing as you soar. Bye now. Bye. Thank you, Tammy.